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		<title>Comment on Your tweets are not being seen by Morriss Partee</title>
		<link>http://everythingcu.wordpress.com/2009/06/30/your-tweets-are-not-being-seen/#comment-25945</link>
		<dc:creator>Morriss Partee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 04:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mark - love your latest comment, and I must reply properly soon. You do bring up outstanding points that I want to continue to discuss.

In the meantime, here is yet another reason why I stand by DotSpace. I&#039;ve sort of stated this reason, but not quite in this way... and that is to very explicitly welcome new twitterers to twitter, and simultaneously introduce them to the people I tweet with. For instance, local eateries and pubs are now coming onto twitter, including one that has only been in business for two weeks. I know that nearly NONE of the 200-300 local people who follow me even know this place exists, let alone that they tweet. It&#039;s too bad that 700-800 people who are not local have to see this tweet, but without DotSpace or other workaround, there is no way I can alert 200-300 people about it. Again, this is a perfectly social and proper use of twitter that there is no way around. And this business is cool socially too- I love their latest tweet: &quot;Just entered week 2. Help us be the best by making suggestions, criticisms, ideas. Humor is good.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mark &#8211; love your latest comment, and I must reply properly soon. You do bring up outstanding points that I want to continue to discuss.</p>
<p>In the meantime, here is yet another reason why I stand by DotSpace. I&#8217;ve sort of stated this reason, but not quite in this way&#8230; and that is to very explicitly welcome new twitterers to twitter, and simultaneously introduce them to the people I tweet with. For instance, local eateries and pubs are now coming onto twitter, including one that has only been in business for two weeks. I know that nearly NONE of the 200-300 local people who follow me even know this place exists, let alone that they tweet. It&#8217;s too bad that 700-800 people who are not local have to see this tweet, but without DotSpace or other workaround, there is no way I can alert 200-300 people about it. Again, this is a perfectly social and proper use of twitter that there is no way around. And this business is cool socially too- I love their latest tweet: &#8220;Just entered week 2. Help us be the best by making suggestions, criticisms, ideas. Humor is good.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Your tweets are not being seen by Mark McSpadden</title>
		<link>http://everythingcu.wordpress.com/2009/06/30/your-tweets-are-not-being-seen/#comment-25944</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark McSpadden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 18:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Morriss,

First. I will repeat again. Twitter is a service. If you want to blame Ev or Biz or Jack or the developer that pushed the change into production, do that but blaming a company/organization is just a hype mentality that perpetuates a me v. the man attitude that I really don&#039;t think is beneficial in online communities.

Second. It&#039;s very clear from the blog post from May 12, 2008, that twitter has been working this way for over a year. The only a few difference between twitter then and now. 1) You personally are now aware of how the service actually works and 2) No user of the service has the ability to override this behavior. However #1 is a big difference and now that you know, you don&#039;t like it and that brings me to....

Third. It appears that have now joined a &quot;vocal minority&quot; This minority is made up of people that 1) understand how twitter actually works 2) doesn&#039;t like it 3) is employing methods to either make it work the way they want it OR get twitter to change it&#039;s stance.

(Previously, per the twitter May 12, 2008 only 2% of twitter users knew about this behavior and wanted choose to override it. So at least in the past this represents a minority of those that understood twitter and choose to override its default behavior.)

This minority is obviously vocal as shown by the links you posted, this entry itself, and the conversations on twitter.

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Here&#039;s where I&#039;m at on all this.

We can chat about twitter all day long and in the end, people vote with their feet...or unfollow button. However to me there are two really interesting discussion that cut to the heart of what we are talking about and these I would love to see followed up on:

1) In producing content in a Web 2.0 world, how do the wishes of the content producer and the content consumer play into how content is created and consumed? What happens when they are at odds?

2) Vocal minorities. How do you treat an online vocal minority? Do absolute numbers in vocal minorities? (Is 2% of 100 less important than 2% of 1M?)

Cheers to the discussion and the ever transparent state of online communities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morriss,</p>
<p>First. I will repeat again. Twitter is a service. If you want to blame Ev or Biz or Jack or the developer that pushed the change into production, do that but blaming a company/organization is just a hype mentality that perpetuates a me v. the man attitude that I really don&#8217;t think is beneficial in online communities.</p>
<p>Second. It&#8217;s very clear from the blog post from May 12, 2008, that twitter has been working this way for over a year. The only a few difference between twitter then and now. 1) You personally are now aware of how the service actually works and 2) No user of the service has the ability to override this behavior. However #1 is a big difference and now that you know, you don&#8217;t like it and that brings me to&#8230;.</p>
<p>Third. It appears that have now joined a &#8220;vocal minority&#8221; This minority is made up of people that 1) understand how twitter actually works 2) doesn&#8217;t like it 3) is employing methods to either make it work the way they want it OR get twitter to change it&#8217;s stance.</p>
<p>(Previously, per the twitter May 12, 2008 only 2% of twitter users knew about this behavior and wanted choose to override it. So at least in the past this represents a minority of those that understood twitter and choose to override its default behavior.)</p>
<p>This minority is obviously vocal as shown by the links you posted, this entry itself, and the conversations on twitter.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s where I&#8217;m at on all this.</p>
<p>We can chat about twitter all day long and in the end, people vote with their feet&#8230;or unfollow button. However to me there are two really interesting discussion that cut to the heart of what we are talking about and these I would love to see followed up on:</p>
<p>1) In producing content in a Web 2.0 world, how do the wishes of the content producer and the content consumer play into how content is created and consumed? What happens when they are at odds?</p>
<p>2) Vocal minorities. How do you treat an online vocal minority? Do absolute numbers in vocal minorities? (Is 2% of 100 less important than 2% of 1M?)</p>
<p>Cheers to the discussion and the ever transparent state of online communities.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Your tweets are not being seen by Morriss Partee</title>
		<link>http://everythingcu.wordpress.com/2009/06/30/your-tweets-are-not-being-seen/#comment-25943</link>
		<dc:creator>Morriss Partee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 15:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yet one additional reason why all of this is messed up... say you get into a conversation with two, three, four, or five people on twitter on a topic, like this one did yesterday. Say I want to reply to three of those people at once, and start my tweet with &quot;@markmcspadden @jimmymarks @CUWarrior You guys make an excellent point, but here are my reasons for what I&#039;m doing.&quot;

Quiz: Who is going to see this tweet? Do you know? Do you care? Are you able to figure it out? Do we really need to take the time to figure it out under the new twitter rules? The answer is - only the people that follow both Mark McSpadden and myself. So if you were otherwise following along the conversation, because you follow both me and Jimmy Marks, or me and CU Warrior, this tweet will be missing from the conversation.

The point is, people shouldn&#039;t have to figure out what tweet is going to be seen by whom. It&#039;s WAY too complicated given the true nature of twitter... which is 20 million interconnected conversations.

The people who run twitter view it in one particular way - which really misses the myriad of ways that different people use it. If @ev and @biz ever conducted extensive focus groups, field research, or ethnographic research on how people actually use and view twitter, their minds would be expanded by a great degree. They totally missed the boat when they started messing with this one because of their preconceived notions of how twitter &quot;should&quot; be used. Don&#039;t blame me for my use of Dot-Space. Blame the powers that be at Twitter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yet one additional reason why all of this is messed up&#8230; say you get into a conversation with two, three, four, or five people on twitter on a topic, like this one did yesterday. Say I want to reply to three of those people at once, and start my tweet with &#8220;@markmcspadden @jimmymarks @CUWarrior You guys make an excellent point, but here are my reasons for what I&#8217;m doing.&#8221;</p>
<p>Quiz: Who is going to see this tweet? Do you know? Do you care? Are you able to figure it out? Do we really need to take the time to figure it out under the new twitter rules? The answer is &#8211; only the people that follow both Mark McSpadden and myself. So if you were otherwise following along the conversation, because you follow both me and Jimmy Marks, or me and CU Warrior, this tweet will be missing from the conversation.</p>
<p>The point is, people shouldn&#8217;t have to figure out what tweet is going to be seen by whom. It&#8217;s WAY too complicated given the true nature of twitter&#8230; which is 20 million interconnected conversations.</p>
<p>The people who run twitter view it in one particular way &#8211; which really misses the myriad of ways that different people use it. If @ev and @biz ever conducted extensive focus groups, field research, or ethnographic research on how people actually use and view twitter, their minds would be expanded by a great degree. They totally missed the boat when they started messing with this one because of their preconceived notions of how twitter &#8220;should&#8221; be used. Don&#8217;t blame me for my use of Dot-Space. Blame the powers that be at Twitter.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Your tweets are not being seen by Morriss Partee</title>
		<link>http://everythingcu.wordpress.com/2009/06/30/your-tweets-are-not-being-seen/#comment-25942</link>
		<dc:creator>Morriss Partee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Chaztoo Of course I&#039;m not trying to alienate any of the folks who choose to follow me. And I am not issuing any ultimatums either. It&#039;s Mark who has requested that I change my behavior, which I changed in light of Twitter&#039;s recent feature removal.

It really comes down to that I see Twitter in a different way than some in the rest of this group is seeing it. I see it as a place to have open conversation that anyone can join in on, rather than an insular world where only the current crowd can view. To me, that view seems less social. I feel like this style I&#039;ve chosen to adopt is more welcoming for people new to Twitter, and connects more people to more conversations. Again, that was the original appeal for me with Twitter... it was via Twitter (and thus seeing @-names) that I connected with so many of you pioneering types. Had this system been in effect all along, I may not have met many of you.

And I also want to make clear that this is not something I&#039;ve done on my own. There are many others who have adopted this policy or something similar. Here&#039;s some resources:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://socialsupport.pbworks.com/Workaround-for-Twitter-@Replies-Issue&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Social Support discussion&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.twitter.com/2008/05/how-replies-work-on-twitter-and-how.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ev&#039;s description of how things worked way back in May 08&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://news.cnet.com/8301-13577_3-10239517-36.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;CNET article on ticked-off twitterers&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/13/kiss-fail-you-can-now-see-replies-sometimes-except-when-you-cant/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;TechCrunch on KISS Fail&lt;/a&gt;: You Can Now See Twitter Replies Sometimes, Except When You Can’t</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Chaztoo Of course I&#8217;m not trying to alienate any of the folks who choose to follow me. And I am not issuing any ultimatums either. It&#8217;s Mark who has requested that I change my behavior, which I changed in light of Twitter&#8217;s recent feature removal.</p>
<p>It really comes down to that I see Twitter in a different way than some in the rest of this group is seeing it. I see it as a place to have open conversation that anyone can join in on, rather than an insular world where only the current crowd can view. To me, that view seems less social. I feel like this style I&#8217;ve chosen to adopt is more welcoming for people new to Twitter, and connects more people to more conversations. Again, that was the original appeal for me with Twitter&#8230; it was via Twitter (and thus seeing @-names) that I connected with so many of you pioneering types. Had this system been in effect all along, I may not have met many of you.</p>
<p>And I also want to make clear that this is not something I&#8217;ve done on my own. There are many others who have adopted this policy or something similar. Here&#8217;s some resources:</p>
<p><a href="http://socialsupport.pbworks.com/Workaround-for-Twitter-@Replies-Issue" rel="nofollow">Social Support discussion</a></p>
<p><a href="http://blog.twitter.com/2008/05/how-replies-work-on-twitter-and-how.html" rel="nofollow">Ev&#8217;s description of how things worked way back in May 08</a></p>
<p><a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-13577_3-10239517-36.html" rel="nofollow">CNET article on ticked-off twitterers</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/13/kiss-fail-you-can-now-see-replies-sometimes-except-when-you-cant/" rel="nofollow">TechCrunch on KISS Fail</a>: You Can Now See Twitter Replies Sometimes, Except When You Can’t</p>
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		<title>Comment on Your tweets are not being seen by heyamaretto</title>
		<link>http://everythingcu.wordpress.com/2009/06/30/your-tweets-are-not-being-seen/#comment-25940</link>
		<dc:creator>heyamaretto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Twitter probably will not redesign, particularly if there is a workaround. But why can&#039;t the interfaces (TweetDeck, Seesmic Desktop) implement an on/off feature that will automatically begin tweets with the dot-space? That seems like an easier approach than retooling the system, and the smaler developers are MUCH more responsie. Loic from Seesmic asked me the other day if there was anything that they could do to improve the product. 

I, too, use twitter conversation to decide if I will be a good match with people. I wouldn&#039;t want to force anyone to do the same, but if there is a simple bypass that can be engineered into a product that we use, I think it would benefit those developers to include it.

Seesmic? TweetDeck? What do you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twitter probably will not redesign, particularly if there is a workaround. But why can&#8217;t the interfaces (TweetDeck, Seesmic Desktop) implement an on/off feature that will automatically begin tweets with the dot-space? That seems like an easier approach than retooling the system, and the smaler developers are MUCH more responsie. Loic from Seesmic asked me the other day if there was anything that they could do to improve the product. </p>
<p>I, too, use twitter conversation to decide if I will be a good match with people. I wouldn&#8217;t want to force anyone to do the same, but if there is a simple bypass that can be engineered into a product that we use, I think it would benefit those developers to include it.</p>
<p>Seesmic? TweetDeck? What do you think?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Your tweets are not being seen by LesleyLambert</title>
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		<dc:creator>LesleyLambert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I hope twitter stops by to check out the controversy.  I am with Morriss on this one, too.  Twitter is by definition a &quot;firehose&quot;, but there are ways to manage that stream (ie: Tweetdeck or tweetgrid).  The old @reply policy brought me a lot of new and very interesting people to follow (many of whom are now good friends &amp; business acquaintances).  If you use tweetdeck to sort the incoming tweets then you can slow that firehose right down....I still want to be able to find the people that the people I already like are talking to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I hope twitter stops by to check out the controversy.  I am with Morriss on this one, too.  Twitter is by definition a &#8220;firehose&#8221;, but there are ways to manage that stream (ie: Tweetdeck or tweetgrid).  The old @reply policy brought me a lot of new and very interesting people to follow (many of whom are now good friends &amp; business acquaintances).  If you use tweetdeck to sort the incoming tweets then you can slow that firehose right down&#8230;.I still want to be able to find the people that the people I already like are talking to.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Your tweets are not being seen by Morriss Partee</title>
		<link>http://everythingcu.wordpress.com/2009/06/30/your-tweets-are-not-being-seen/#comment-25938</link>
		<dc:creator>Morriss Partee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@tinfoiling Believe it or not, I have discussed with William, on Facebook, about whether it is better to floss, then brush, or brush, then floss. Kate joined in on this convo too. Of course this was while Amy and Ivan were away, so I was happy to be there for Wm during the lull in his family life. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@tinfoiling Believe it or not, I have discussed with William, on Facebook, about whether it is better to floss, then brush, or brush, then floss. Kate joined in on this convo too. Of course this was while Amy and Ivan were away, so I was happy to be there for Wm during the lull in his family life. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/face-wink.png' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Your tweets are not being seen by tinfoiling</title>
		<link>http://everythingcu.wordpress.com/2009/06/30/your-tweets-are-not-being-seen/#comment-25937</link>
		<dc:creator>tinfoiling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron you must realize that people must have something to write about and breakfast is top of mind. I am still waiting for that individual to write about what toothpaste they used and that tomorrow they will switch to a new toothbrush their dentist gave them.

Can&#039;t we always go back and look at all the tweets an individual has done if we want to see something specific? Remember when this all started and we found Twitter (or some of us anyway) lacking in certain aspects so went to Jaiku? We found out it wasn&#039;t necessarily the program we use but the social group surrounding that program that was important. The use of second accounts (who doesn&#039;t have a second account by now?) as well as the search functionality does show signs of somethings moving forward. 

Sometimes I read all of what one person twitters sometimes not. Just because I subscribe to a magazine or newspaper doesn&#039;t mean I read every article. What I really enjoy is when everyone gets involved with comments to a post like this. This sure beats the crap out of that 140 character limit!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron you must realize that people must have something to write about and breakfast is top of mind. I am still waiting for that individual to write about what toothpaste they used and that tomorrow they will switch to a new toothbrush their dentist gave them.</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t we always go back and look at all the tweets an individual has done if we want to see something specific? Remember when this all started and we found Twitter (or some of us anyway) lacking in certain aspects so went to Jaiku? We found out it wasn&#8217;t necessarily the program we use but the social group surrounding that program that was important. The use of second accounts (who doesn&#8217;t have a second account by now?) as well as the search functionality does show signs of somethings moving forward. </p>
<p>Sometimes I read all of what one person twitters sometimes not. Just because I subscribe to a magazine or newspaper doesn&#8217;t mean I read every article. What I really enjoy is when everyone gets involved with comments to a post like this. This sure beats the crap out of that 140 character limit!!!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Your tweets are not being seen by Morriss Partee</title>
		<link>http://everythingcu.wordpress.com/2009/06/30/your-tweets-are-not-being-seen/#comment-25935</link>
		<dc:creator>Morriss Partee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ron - thanks for articulating that point - I completely agree. If someone just comes out and tweets &quot;I really loved my Wheaties this morning, can&#039;t get enough&quot; I have no right to be upset by that. Likewise, Mark has no right to be upset with you if you tweet &quot;I can&#039;t believe what a moron you are, @jimnovo!&quot; if he doesn&#039;t follow @jimnovo (someone who I would not follow if not for your periodic tweets with him!). So Mark will see your tweet to Jim just because you happen not to have started your tweet with @jimnovo.

Mark, if you are not upset with seeing such a tweet between Ron and Jim Novo, then really what you are complaining about is my blatant use of the period-space. This is a time saver for me because I then don&#039;t have to worry about exactly how to word my tweet so it&#039;s natural sounding with the name embedded within. But otherwise, it&#039;s identical to putting the name in the middle of a tweet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ron &#8211; thanks for articulating that point &#8211; I completely agree. If someone just comes out and tweets &#8220;I really loved my Wheaties this morning, can&#8217;t get enough&#8221; I have no right to be upset by that. Likewise, Mark has no right to be upset with you if you tweet &#8220;I can&#8217;t believe what a moron you are, @jimnovo!&#8221; if he doesn&#8217;t follow @jimnovo (someone who I would not follow if not for your periodic tweets with him!). So Mark will see your tweet to Jim just because you happen not to have started your tweet with @jimnovo.</p>
<p>Mark, if you are not upset with seeing such a tweet between Ron and Jim Novo, then really what you are complaining about is my blatant use of the period-space. This is a time saver for me because I then don&#8217;t have to worry about exactly how to word my tweet so it&#8217;s natural sounding with the name embedded within. But otherwise, it&#8217;s identical to putting the name in the middle of a tweet.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Your tweets are not being seen by Carla Day</title>
		<link>http://everythingcu.wordpress.com/2009/06/30/your-tweets-are-not-being-seen/#comment-25934</link>
		<dc:creator>Carla Day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 19:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This issue raises an important aspect of social communities. There are no set social agreements. How one person uses the community may be entirely different than how others use it. I was one of the few that had my twitter setting as all @ replies. I found some very interesting people by seeing who was chatting with each other.

At the same time, if someone does not use the community has you want, you can unfollow or unfriend them. While that may seem harsh, sometimes you have to take the good with the bad.

I noticed that some of the professional people that I wanted to communicate with were unfollowing me due to non-industry posts. Ironically, I was doing this as this topic was being discussed on twitter. So, my solution to that was to create a separate account. I have to thank @itsjustbrent for the idea given his comment about moving to his @thehabdash account during the blog conversation yesterday.

As far as .@ posts, I have done it, but I use it rarely now for replies that I think others who follow me and may not follow the recepient would appreciate.

Morriss, I do like seeing your conversations with others, but can see how others may not. It all is about how people want to use twitter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This issue raises an important aspect of social communities. There are no set social agreements. How one person uses the community may be entirely different than how others use it. I was one of the few that had my twitter setting as all @ replies. I found some very interesting people by seeing who was chatting with each other.</p>
<p>At the same time, if someone does not use the community has you want, you can unfollow or unfriend them. While that may seem harsh, sometimes you have to take the good with the bad.</p>
<p>I noticed that some of the professional people that I wanted to communicate with were unfollowing me due to non-industry posts. Ironically, I was doing this as this topic was being discussed on twitter. So, my solution to that was to create a separate account. I have to thank @itsjustbrent for the idea given his comment about moving to his @thehabdash account during the blog conversation yesterday.</p>
<p>As far as .@ posts, I have done it, but I use it rarely now for replies that I think others who follow me and may not follow the recepient would appreciate.</p>
<p>Morriss, I do like seeing your conversations with others, but can see how others may not. It all is about how people want to use twitter.</p>
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